IS THis a Relapse?
Question by Marty N: IS THis a Relapse?
This person has had (I would think) a drinking problem/alcoholic. Been to jail for dui, been on several month long drunks. Had to go to the hospital and get detoxed.
Now she says Bill Wilson is bullshit. The entire modern theologhy of “alcoholic” is not correct. She has had total success with drinking for a month. 3-4 drink limits, no problems. IS she right and found a way, or is this a relapse?
P.S. in the past one drink put her on a serious drunk.
This controlled drining started AFTER all the detox, legal problems, very intense non-partial study of AA and the like minded. And AFTER no drinking for 8-months. It seems as though she has turned it around. A thing in my opinion according to AA is not possible. I have talke to her in much detail about this. Everything I am witnessing is proving that she may have done the impossible. This chick was a true alcoholic as defined by AA according to me.
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Answer by thegirlwantstoknow
In my uneducated opinion, it sounds like your friend might be able to drink in moderation. It would be unusual, but not impossible. If you’ve *seen* this person drink moderately, and they can swing it, that’s good for them. A similar scenario: Consider ppl who’ve had eating disorders. You can’t quit eating food, although these people have an alcoholic-like problem with it. They learn to eat moderately because they have to. Same can probably be done w/ alcohol.
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People think that active alcoholism is determined by how much someone drinks alcohol or what kind of alcohol someone drinks (ie beer or coolers vs “hard liquor”). Actually it is what happens as a result of someone drinking any kind or any amount of alcohol. If a person has had a history of alcohol related problems ie lost jobs, drinking/driving offenses or other legal problems, family problems, health/medical problems, and the person drinks any amount of alcohol and again has problems as a result, it is active alcoholism.
Bill Wilson and friends may be a bunch of bullshit, but they are doing better than who you are talking about.
Once an alcoholic, always an alcoholic.
excerpt from link
“Alcoholism and Other Drug Problems offers a balanced and comprehensive account of the nature, causes, prevention, and treatment of the nation’s number one public health problem. This edition of Royce’s award-winning text, Alcohol Problems and Alcoholism, has been extensively updated throughout by Royce and his coauthor David Scratchley, with new chapters on drugs other than alcohol to reflect the most recent research in the field.”
http://www.enotalone.com/article/5538.html
The book cited….Alcoholism and Other Drug Problems is update of Alcohol Probems and Alcoholism by James E. Royce.
Very OBJECTIVE book.
The first rehab I went into was in 1979.
Finally Quit drinking about 13 years ago.
Been to rehabs, psychs, and thousands of AA meetings.
relapsed a ton of times……….
Ever hear of the Jellenek curve?
The first time I saw it was when I was in my FIRST REHAB…..
I gave it a look.
Determined where I was on the curve….
and thought to myself…..
“I got a ways to go yet.”
http://www.in.gov/judiciary/ijlap/docs/jellinek.pdf
That just gives indication of my mindset at time
Re AA:
I have been to THOUSANDS of AA meetings.
First one in 1979.
And it really rubbed me the wrong way at the time.
I wasn’t down with that **** at all.
Not at the ripe old age of 28.
I am 55 now.
Had to ruin my life before I decided to get sober.
AA blurb….
“time takes time”
Don’t push the AA issue.
The Big Book was not written by professionals.
It was written by a bunch of drunks back in the 40’s.
Some of the concepts and phrasing are clumsy and dated.
Sometimes it’s the GROUP.
Some GROUPS are nothing but trouble for some people.
They can be pushy about things like SPONSORS.
I don’t do sponser.
ain’t in the steps:):):)
Is it relapse?….maybe.
I Believe Bill W tried LSD.
He sounds like the type.
excerpt from link
“One of his therapeutic journeys lead him to Trabuco College in California, and the friendship of the college’s founder, Aldous Huxley. The author of Brave New World and The Doors of Perception introduced Wilson to LSD-25. The drug rocked Wilson’s world. He thought of it as something of a miracle substance and continued taking it well into the ‘60s. As he approached his 70th birthday, he developed a plan to have LSD distributed at all AA meetings nationwide. The plan was eventually quashed by more rational voices, and a few years later the Federal government made the point moot by making the drug illegal. (That Wilson’s plan was shot down is probably fortunate. LSD is a beautiful thing, but nothing sounds more horrifying to me than a roomful of chain-smoking, frightened, needy drunks tripping their heads off in the basement of the local Y.”
:):):)
http://www.moderndrunkardmagazine.com/issues/01-05/0105-dry-piper.htm
Bill W was INDEED a spacey guy.
The other co founder ….the one you never hear about…Dr Bob…
was level headed….he seemed to have “gotten it”…..
Bill W never did and he continued to look for it his entire life.
Bill W had PROBLEMS.
I can go on and on